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Old May 04, 2006, 01:48 AM // 01:48   #81
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Yeah, I brought that up in one of my original posts.

This is not to flame you, but does nobody read threads from the beginning?
Believe it or not, I did However, as you referenced dances and presents, I thought the point was worth bringing up again (for those who may not have read the whole thing). As re-iterated by Roku, I think it should entail the entire CE package, both in-game goodies and real life. So in effect, I was just agreeing with you and adding a little extra. Now if only I worked at Anet and could figure out a way to make this happen

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Old May 04, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51   #82
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nvm just read the gaile chat log that said they aren't customized

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Old May 04, 2006, 02:00 AM // 02:00   #83
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I'm a little confused do we get the pets only on the first char we create in cantha or do all of our chars get one?
I think you get 1 minipet per account, and which ever character you logged in first gets the pet, but since it's not customized, you can put the minipet in the storage and let your other characters take it.

It is tradeable too!
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:01 AM // 02:01   #84
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I'm a little confused do we get the pets only on the first char we create in cantha or do all of our chars get one?
Here, from www.guildwars.com:

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The gift will be one per account and will function like a Birthday Miniature. That is, they will be tradable, sellable (for in-game currency only!), or exchangeable between your characters. You will find your gift on the first character you bring into the game after we are able to implement this feature. We anticipate we will have these gifts ready within the next 10 days. And don't worry – all who purchase a Collector's Edition will receive a Thank You Gift!
So, no, you won't get 4-6 mini-dragons. Only one.
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02   #85
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I'm miffed that I'm one of those ppl who gave up my CE due to the 10-day fiasco.
And at least one of our questions as to why are these guys having such a spazz over something like this is solved!

We burned ourselves out to get the CE it was my special gift from my husband for my anniversary - we preordered and everything and were put on hold and told NOTHING - the gaming stores we called for info told us NOTHING
for DAYS we didnt know if we would ever get ours and then we get word that not till June 30 for most people and suddenly we are all WTF!

So yes after days of spazzing and calling and begging for info and getting nowhere I will take my pet Bob and love him. If you want a pet of your own you should have stuck with the collectors edition and who is to say its not for just those that preordered?

Either way for my waiting just the same as if I had made a character and come back to it after all this time to find a B-day present - WE EARNED IT!

And as for moving it to other characters it is obvious YOU cannot read - for Redly said, what if I want to loan it to a guildie to play with as well? And you didn't account for second accounts.

I personally have THREE accounts, and my CE is coming in for the acount that is NOT Lady Eviance and I would like it to be on Lady Eviance.... Soooo again you think through what you have to say more clearly PLUS give me an example of something that doesnt say customized that cannot be sold?

(yes I know customized stuff can be sold to others but that is also called SCAMMING which I dont do!)


and most important is people who think that others don't deserve more because they shelled out the extra and waited. Dude did you SEE the backup dancers? I would GIVE them away if I could.... not all that great!


(And in order for Redly and I to even GET our CE we had to drive an hour to order it -_- Even if I didn't have a CE I would be greatful that Anet did something like this for them - they deserve it!)

God my bloodpressure is not liking this >_<

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Old May 04, 2006, 02:08 AM // 02:08   #86
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Every three hours, LA became a net connection's worst nightmare. Moving was almost impossible. Following the King's commands was extremely difficult due to lag spikes.
So, the same thing that happened with the Tengu Mask, then? I thought it was unfair then as well.

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They might be, but they might not be available next time. But either way, the Insta-Customization of the Pumpkin Crown and Santa Hats was a pain, because some players out there wanted them and they couldn't have them. Buying them from someone meant absolutely nothing, because they weren't going to be able to wear them.
Well, they're also armor. Armor is customized to the player who crafts/gets it. Though it sucks, it makes sense.

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Those items still have a use because they're sellable.
Candy Canes remove DP. They'd still remove DP if they weren't sellable. That's what I meant when I said they had a use.

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And keeping in mind what the goal behind the Minipets is...Pokemon-esque trade/collection.
Is that what A-Net said? If it is, please show me. I thought the Minipets to reward characters who were a year old. Like I've already said, I'll get mine later. People who don't shell out the money to buy the CE don't have a chance to get the new pets without buying them.

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And yes, you are arguing for Customization, so don't deny it. Binding something to an account is still Customization.
I meant Customization literally, as in "Customized for (player name)." I made that pretty clear in one of my earlier posts.
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:09 AM // 02:09   #87
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I wasn't too happy with de way everything went for CE.. eg. delays, crappy events etc..

But I am finally appeased when anet announced that as a token of appreciation u'll get a pet. I wanted a bone dragon (is there a glint pet? ) .. but its too expensive.. but meh.. i'll take a real dragon any time...

I wonder will it fly like de actual phoenix pet..


Now, i guess i'll really b happy if anet changes 4+4+4 v 4+4+4 back to 12 v 12.
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18   #88
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3 words.

Thank. You. Anet.

/still waiting for mine...xD.
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:20 AM // 02:20   #89
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And as for moving it to other characters it is obvious YOU cannot read - for Redly said, what if I want to loan it to a guildie to play with?
I was only replying to the part I bolded. It wouldn't have made sense to only quote that sentence.

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I personally have THREE accounts, and my CE is coming in for the acount that is NOT Lady Eviance and I would like it to be on Lady Eviance.... Soooo again you think through what you have to say more clearly PLUS give me an example of something that doesnt say customized that cannot be sold?
I'm not sure I understand your problem. The only benefit to adding a CE key was to get the dancers, and if you don't like them, why couldn't you add it to the account that you want the pet for?

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(yes I know customized stuff can be sold to others but that is also called SCAMMING which I dont do!)
It's only scamming if the person who's getting the items thinks they're getting something they can use. There's a big warning now if you're about to trade for a customized item.

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and most important is people who think that others don't deserve more because they shelled out the extra and waited. Dude did you SEE the backup dancers? I would GIVE them away if I could.... not all that great!
So, I understand you didn't buy the CE for the stuff that made that CE costs more. That doesn't mean it didn't cost more for A-Net to make it. And you're telling me I'm not thinking?

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(And in order for Redly and I to even GET our CE we had to drive an hour to order it -_- Even if I didn't have a CE I would be greatful that Anet did something like this for them - they deserve it!)
You're not the only people who had to drive to pre-order/buy the game, so don't even think that's a valid excuse.

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Old May 04, 2006, 02:31 AM // 02:31   #90
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And as for moving it to other characters it is obvious YOU cannot read - for Redly said, what if I want to loan it to a guildie to play with as well? And you didn't account for second accounts.
I think you need to check yourself before coming at me. I never accused anyone of not reading. That being said, I am now, and it is YOU who need to read before you jump on your pedastal and start railing on ppl. The rest of your post I won't even bother with as agent has already addressed it. I've said my piece and I hope for your sake you're not one of those ppl waiting until June 30 bc if you are it's going to be a LONG time for just a dragon.
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Old May 04, 2006, 02:54 AM // 02:54   #91
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So, the same thing that happened with the Tengu Mask, then? I thought it was unfair then as well.
That Friday, I had work, then had to head to Rutgers for a 7 pm call, for an 8 pm curtain of the show I recently performed in. I missed the entire event for the Tengu Mask. I had 245 Naga Fangs, apparently. Do you see me pissed off about missing it, though, and demanding recompense? No, because I had better things to do (a theatre production, then drinks with the tech crew at a local pub) than sit around in a crowded town and get a mask for a whole bunch of little trinkets.

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Well, they're also armor. Armor is customized to the player who crafts/gets it. Though it sucks, it makes sense.
Armor only in the sense that people wear it. The fact that people wear it does not mean it has to be Customized.

And another thing about calling them Armor...they had no AL, going out in it was almost certain death (because surprisingly, the head piece does matter! lol), and generally, starter gear was better than the Pumpkin Crown. Hell, you could wear nothing at all and have the same rough time as if you were wearing the Crown. The Pumpkin Crown and Santa Hat were barely Armor. In fact, I wouldn't even consider them Armor in the first place.

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Candy Canes remove DP. They'd still remove DP if they weren't sellable. That's what I meant when I said they had a use.
That's not much of a use, though, because let's consider, for a moment, if the Candy Canes were Customized, or at least Non-transferable. The following scenario:

Player A has 75 Candy Canes. His guildie, Player B, only had 1, and he's used it already.

During any single PvE mission, no character will ever need to use more than 2 Candy Canes. Player A is perfectly fine, but Player B's DP has worked back up to 40%. Let's say they're having a rough time doing Ring of Fire.

Under a Non-transferable system, Player A's 75 Candy Canes are useless to both Player A and Player B. Player A doesn't need a Candy Cane, and Player B needs one, but can't get one from Player A, due to the Non-transferable system.

But under the Transferable system we have for the Candy Canes, Player A's Candy Canes are incredibly useful, and that usefulness is entirely dependent on the fact that Candy Canes are Transferable.

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Is that what A-Net said? If it is, please show me.
They follow you around. You can "call" them. You can trade them. You can sell them. You can collect them. ANet hasn't come out and said it, but do you honestly believe the intent wasn't at all Pokemon-esque, especially when all things are considered? Just think about it.

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I thought the Minipets to reward characters who were a year old. Like I've already said, I'll get mine later.
And it looks like they're transferable, anyway. A total collect/trade Pokemon type of approach with them.

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People who don't shell out the money to buy the CE don't have a chance to get the new pets without buying them.
Whoa, whoa, whoa....what is this.....do I believe what I'm reading? Are you...yes. Yes, you are...

You're saying that the CE Minipet is unfair because people who didn't pre-order/buy/whatever the CE don't have a chance to get the new pets...pets that were released solely for those who had pre-ordered/bought/whatever the CE.

If that really is what you're saying, then ANet themselves just punched a huge hole in your entire argument. The CE Minipets are available to everyone. To those who purchase the CE, the Minipet is there immediately. To those who didn't purchase the CE, they can buy them in-game (or get them for free, if the CEr is a friend).

Either way, those people are still able to buy and are still buying the Minipets, because they can either go with the CE itself, or they can get it from a CEr, in-game. And that is the entire purpose behind making the CE pets transferable between players: so the trade/collection system of the Minipet is not limited.

I think that's the end of your argument, don't you think so? Other people, what do you think?

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I meant Customization literally, as in "Customized for (player name)." I made that pretty clear in one of my earlier posts.
Yeah, but as far as I'm concerned, if you're arguing that items should be non-transferable, you're arguing for an Account-wide Customization. There's really no way around that, man. You tell me such and such an item should not be able to be transferred between two different players, I'm going to call a spade a spade and tell you you're advocating Customization...and Customization to an awful, extreme extent, to boot.

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Old May 04, 2006, 03:00 AM // 03:00   #92
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In a nutshell, we're happy you're happy. Delays are frustrating to all of us, but we so value your patience and your kind support, and this gift is a way for us to show it.

As a fan, and a player, I think it's beyond good, it's grrrrreat!
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:05 AM // 03:05   #93
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Either you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, or you're just grasping at straws and will say whatever you can just to keep this argument going. I don't care. I'm out.
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15   #94
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Either you're completely misunderstanding what I'm saying, or you're just grasping at straws and will say whatever you can just to keep this argument going. I don't care. I'm out.
Don't let the door hit you on the backside. I completely understand what it is you're trying to say here, but it's a flimsy argument you're making. The fact that in my previous reply I twisted nearly everything you had said previously and turned it all completely against you is testament to how flawed your reasoning is.

You put your foot in your mouth by over-extending your argument, and you got caught (especially regarding the CE Minipet points). Instead of accusing me of grasping at straws, or completely misunderstanding what you're (trying) to say, why not just admit that your entire argument just collapsed on itself?

Because I'm certainly not misunderstanding anything and/or grasping at straws when I can so easily twist your entire reply around and get it to say what I want it to say. When someone can do that, that's the sign of someone else posting an absolutely weak argument that's supported by absolutely weak reasoning behind it.

If you had as strong a case as your bark implied, your case wouldn't have just fallen apart like it did, and I sure as hell wouldn't have been able to twist your words around like I did. lol

Because think about what you were saying regarding the CE Minipets. You're taking issue with the fact that the only way non-CErs can get that CE Minipet is by buying them, but yet the CE Minipet was released for the CE itself, and even then...exceptions were made so that the RE players can still get their hands on them.

And that's just an absurd argument to make. It basically boils down to "The CE players have something that other players don't have, so other players have to buy it, and that's not fair." But what happens when that something is a perk added for the CErs? And then that perk is transferable, so it's not limited?

The CE Minipets were added because of the CE delay. But why shouldn't the CE Minipet function like the B-day Minipets?

CErs can keep their CE Minipets if they want. Or they can give it to a friend if they want. Or they can sell it if they want. Or they can trade it if they want. What's the problem there? It's players having options and freedoms to do what they want.

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Old May 04, 2006, 03:16 AM // 03:16   #95
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Gaile, did you see my post?

Why do I feel like a 2 year old clammering for attention? But seriously... are the dev's giving any thought to an upgrade package for $20-$30 that will essentially turn your normal version of Factions into a CE???
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:28 AM // 03:28   #96
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Cool Thank you... now ship those CE's!

First of all, thank you A-Net, I appreciate the fact that you know that you have upset customers and are trying to settle the anger and the fact that so many people are upset in hopes to cover the wound a little. Now it’s time for you to ship those CE’s out, so that we may join some of our friends and family who are already playing who have patiently been waiting for us.

I am excited about the mini-pet, I have been checking my oldest character every day in hopes of hitting the 12 month mark. Right now, my monk is at 11 months. So when I read that I will get one with the CE… my first thought was “GREAT!” but then I thought “I hope they aren’t doing this because I am going to be delayed another month”.

I almost feel guilty for taking such great news and turning it into negativity. I can’t speak for anyone else…. But you have to understand what we (or I) have been though. Phone call after phone call to many places, checking the status of our orders every couple hours on the web, going to the main Guild Wars website in hopes of a glimmer of when we will receive our CE. Then, when we did get news, it was vague and unclear.

Yep, its only a game… yep, its not real life. But for my wife and me, it’s a hobby. We felt a sinking feeling in our stomach getting an email ONE day before we were supposed to have the box in our hands. That sinking feeling grew when the clock countdown on the GW website said “NOW LIVE!”.

Then we read the forums and found out people were getting keys by calling gamestop… That was great! We tried to forget the fact that we never got our special mask, or the fact that we missed the first day of factions. We called… the reply… “Sorry, the keys were on a first come first serve basis.” Sinking feeling was back.

Wife called again the next day, We got a key! I hurried home from work, teamed up, and we started playing our new factions chars. I forgave A-net. They fixed what they messed up (minus the first day, and the collectors masks). We would be able to play until our CE was at our door step.

I get home Tuesday, click on my character and…. “Factions will be released on April 28th.” Sinking Feeling back again.

Now, we get mini-pets… we can’t play yet, but we get them. Sure, everyone will eventually get a mini-pet. But we get our pets a little earlier.

DO NOT give me that sinking feeling again!

For those of you who couldn’t wait for the CE, and went out and bought Factions… I feel for you. I can imagine how you must feel. Rest assured though… you will get a mini-pet eventually. And I don’t blame anyone who cancelled the CE… I almost did it several times (and will cancel if its not here by Monday).

Thank you again A-Net… I am venting a little. I am happy about the mini-pets. But, what I really want is my CE. Plan a little better next time and don’t underestimate your fans, we are what makes GW popular.
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38   #97
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"The Straw Man fallacy is committed when a person simply ignores a person's actual position and substitutes a distorted, exaggerated or misrepresented version of that position."

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Because I'm certainly not misunderstanding anything and/or grasping at straws when I can so easily twist your entire reply around and get it to say what I want it to say. When someone can do that, that's the sign of someone else posting an absolutely weak argument that's supported by absolutely weak reasoning behind it.
You just admitted to doing exactly that.
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38   #98
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In a nutshell, we're happy you're happy. Delays are frustrating to all of us, but we so value your patience and your kind support, and this gift is a way for us to show it.

As a fan, and a player, I think it's beyond good, it's grrrrreat!
This is a better thank-you than I ever could have hoped for. Better than having all of the pets. Forget the Shaman, I'm getting Kuunavang. Gaile, tell your coworkers I love them.
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:50 AM // 03:50   #99
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Kuunavang?! You say Kuunavang!? THE KUUNAVANG!!! *screams*

OMG!!!! This is sooooooooooooooo worth the wait!!!!!

*sings* Flying pet for me~~ Walking pets for you~~~ *points*

Muwahahahahahahaha~~~

*faints*
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Old May 04, 2006, 03:56 AM // 03:56   #100
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Wow. All for the sake of consumer relations.

It's all good though. I was going to get CE. I was unhapy with the delay, but not devastated, cnsidering I DO have exams until the Monday after it (the CE) is released.
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